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  Lonelys is big, a killer as anything us. Some have said it's aqu in a smoking two packs of secrets. Today, it'a hug'biology. Tot. Why? Or doctors prescriing the ben more time. A friends I do. We are what we eat ore. So the edge goes, but a turns out. That s statement is actually medically true. Dr. Mark Heimeman is wann of the leading voices in the field of functional medicine, which basically means that if we feed ARR bodies, the nutrients at needs. Not only doesat helpers prevent ilmas, but we can actually super chargemune systems to heals when we get sick. So I wannant to talking about something we need in OU lives as muches. We need food friendship. World leaders ask mark for health advice. He is s the ultra und fünf books. Many of the New York times bestts sellers and the host of the podcast the doctor pharmacy. So i really wantant a get his take and a turns out. If we give arr friendhip, the same attention is we give our diets. It benefits are minds, ar spirits and are bodes. This is a bit ab Optimism. Mark, thank much for coming today. It su a treat to set down with you. The some much i wanta talk to about. My big thing right now is i'm reing about friendship. Ja, so mly obss with that want god the path of the connection between health and community and health and friendhip. You that you you god frien. Yo, he can be be ev be present, have a conversation. If yourggy and fatig you feel cr and your di wel consericicio s hard really be present. And that's you need to dot to be a friend. I SAP paradox because you need men to halve to be good friendht. But i you don't ir friends this heart, ha have good mentor health, right? 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When we think about things like innovation or health is we maket aer i thing you have to get healthy, you have to take a multivetament, you have to exercisize, you have to sleep. But we don't make it about a we ##u know, bet th that wu knowth thople ar overwen of the deci the disproion high numberth the go diet i theis a group of smokersm as stop smoing dis hig num getting health is a team sport getting health is a team sport and. And we are absoluy influenced by your friends. Yoly is health is yo five closeers friendsise. So raise a question couse clearly failing as a people, as a nation at doing all the things you recommend. Because most of the things you recommend at the high level, what you recommende is a lot, a work, right? It can be youre nogt. It is what you setup a functional level. I lot of the stef that you recommended. I is not difficult, not expensive and pretty basic. Ja, it's can a sely, but thight. And yet for not any more money. 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With the rising rates of anxdy and depression and mental fitness challenges and inhabililited a copit stress. And in the worst case, suicide. Even in the obsession with longgevity, I'go. I ou thro that on is. Well, friendship is the ultimate biohack. It is friendship literally fixes all of thst things. We know the dat that people who have closed relationships live longerk people of close relationships ar hapyar and you look at Dan Buteners work and the blues zones and so much attention is put to them walking to the house and too the and so much attention is put into what the eating and how theat eating buld. Not enough attention is putenents to the fact that theur eating with theur. Friends, every single that you re so right, t i actually, i wit sp timement tarrdinia and in Icaria Acariia hove you prot i was yo stunning the see the level of community and connection event. 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And i got to meet Paul Farmer, who w the her of he was a doctor who wen haady and decided that even wordd this community of people w suing from Tibyationan water. Thy have watches they could'take the drougs is tht's complicated deat point a take the drug regiments multi res resistant Tb ORF for AiDs and he was an medical problem. I wit proble he cal struct social economicical conditions. A drive disease wasn better. Dr. We have butivem so heted to help by building network of community health worker neighbor'helping, neighbors, friends helping friends. And you call that the companiment and French I'gocig French somk that that and he build this model th scale the ar round the wor the w to adapter by the clinton foundation, the ge foundation to help he di in pro Th in prison Russia. He is everywhere we rep struggl and wanda B hospitals. And it was in incredible model on I realized that most Th diseases we have now the we Ar not infect assases there chronic witich are cald. 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If your re ping overwigay, we are prontyverwigait your social network or driving or behavior for good or bad. So i realize that yes, we have a society were the default is to do the wrong thing and that we as aety arn supportingachoth thd a do the right thing. And i realized that community was medicine. Just i food is medicine, and that love is medicine. And we that's me. Look, that's are anthropology, right? It wee tribe, a animal that group historcally and tribes about ein hunder. Fünf people. And that's how we lived. We live th is relativey small. We help yother communities commun me. That's the history of human kind. We wly started farming years AG. But for most of human history we live in the small groups w we could't have populations large than about. Ein hunder. Fünf. Wha's ver interesting about a little statistic that you thro out the thought that hed which is when are families is overweight. We are pres more like litt be overweight. 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And att last, for the rest of OU lives, we don't aally go back to the family. It's all friends. Which is why i have to believe. I. I'm just so thinking about Th out lout now. I have to believe that's the reason. So many us go Instagram and wish Arr parents. Happy birthday when ArR parents. Anton, Instagram. Right. It's for the social approver that I'm good kidch. The pictures of my da holding me w a babyke. Scroll ththers pictures and everybody likes that I'm good so and yet my dad Instagram und so i have to wonderf that same drive, that same weird need to want social approve for beining a good su is the same. Samn i your friends or all drink? And green and Dr. Green, you can the your shit that i take simpleiend like you shul, do you? You knowt, thisqu yo at the ##tenultke tal to gus andulting, ne? Yo, the wor it feelss like i cany it is, but it feelss like that. The complete explosion in the supplement industry. We nothing is avaluated by the FDA. And every influencer now, ha avtament or supplement powder oder drink with allkinds of nonsen claims. Maybe there good maybere bad. It feelelss like we living in thet. Come boom of supples that you know in the com boom. You re like i m investing in this at tech company because my neighbor hold me. I had to and now that's been replace with. I'm now taking Th und pills per day because one friend tallme at take the for another friend. And just like the dot, come boom. You can live in a bubble like that. It's gona havey percusions and it's it's be unxpected andt's go be pretty violence. So ridthle me this like is a time for the FDA to get involved, like I can know. Longer tell the difference between alaaim on a product your selling, or Alaaim on something. That's some ##ke lity there only qualification is the have a following an Instagram. Ja, not joluencercer, liv sup. Ja, i don't knoww it'sly you know, kicks back, but this can discount. 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W is one on one coaching or support? W arre it group models th they have to be the thing. Let's go a change. Because ar we get healthy thegether or we get sectygether? What I do? Benjamin Frangl say we will m all ##it don t church tenda down church tenda and faith no, you know, you can have faith and not good a church. And you can god a church and not have faith. The church wat the overlapping b the ide ofve doing things in commun inc community, this is why i love thing is like come acco or burning man or whatever your you know thy you never been a burning man. I have be to burning. You haveh o sturg that the motorcycle thing hells angels like all th things, doing things in community with people who have comon interest and want the questions, i ve gettings th ha started talking about friendship, it's amazing ha any people coming up to me who ar of all ages, of all income levels, who are san to me? I don'tt a friends. I struggle to make friends fre authenticrd, partig youve a struggle to make friends w a i hay i aird kid with in my he red lo books is littleird andu k can of a nerd, i was living intno in the seven de w spiritual wastel and first real frien i met on the top mountain in the canian rockies we backpacking and a weeko ouut in the midle noher by myself and he was a weak out and we crossedover bad your pass in Bfal Park and we just ha this con of moment of connection and we bo thanat organna be cornell in, he was init college a Cornell, we got back and we got togetheru know we know be frientut, we bee like brothers andieny he my best frienterter do mounta bik trips over CL ver and yono, we hel beer and w on down picks on up b I'm down, he bick me up, he down, i pick him up and the we ve had this really sustain, deep, authentic, intimate relationship for and we lo weer, we crther weer and a place i could say and be and do anything remarable experience fe seen loved was the first person who love me, who did'actually ha love me. Like my soming I discover about close friendhipsight which we o talk about closed friends as the person you would call when you an need, when you need help the person. You can cry with the person when you in pain and actually think that's true, that's a level of close friendship that you can call that person in a time of struggle or need. But i think to even closer level of friendship wich when you can call someboedy, when something amazing and the niht jeus, andres, no jeusy. And you can calum. And what your re doing is bragging. But not really you just need to tell some on about this amazing thing you accomplished, or that was given you are that you one that you know whatever it is. And if you tod an neybout, the ises that be like they think you are bragging. Ja, ja, but to that friend, they have unbrightle joy with you and for you andd I ve learnd is the number of people i would call with good news is actually smaller. The the number people i wo call with batoen'w. You'coming with good news than may, but you tht, I mean, what it? I's important take and inventory your' life and your friends. And if you don't have good friends, it's a really important to call, toight them, to invest in them, to find theme. And there ways to do that. I'mean th wayte a putger off and inironments and situations I don't pre priise as arcles in your times about man and friendships. And just it was just so haartdbreaking. I m Covid i happened, ne? All latey, all on and September zwei tausendanzig my wifone I split up. I ha just had back surgery. I was alone, it was Covid. And what I do, i sed an eail to my cluse is man, friends, six other men Inow Don men's work with Don Mendre Trees with Don Madcine Journey with and it hey, guys, like can we star little zoom once a week for our maybe and how abut do too hours ever? And we been going for rem have container th alleat the friendship go more the morener, the more we open heart, the sh fe successes the whatever is going hono life, thes i matter, so we something with want us and to me is i can anchor another friend of mine is struggling with we f friends and she as aself. If i was in a marage or just a romantic relationship, a longime romantic relationship. And the the relationship is struggling. We would'in just break up. We would get help. We wuld seek therapy couples councelining and so social WN to friend that this attenion is been going of a two long. We gon a go a therapy together frach theerapy ja againh why do we instincty understand that? Ha a mariaager relationship is struggling that we exp expect people to least try to least try the couple therapy before you call thehoh in quits. And yet we don't to that with friendships, we we have attion with friendhips, we quickered en the friendship or sitt n we attenion or voht the person thn to go to the therapy with the person to try and work through the struggles, we may stll and a breaking out. Ja, but let's it le put in the effort to rescue this friendship that we claim, we care about, ja, i love the i a friendship councellg and it speak as same point about like not just co living in sensive, do things togeeristing, tother moiesth, superfici. B way i will stress that i don'believe. All fren freienchhips need to be at this level, like it is perfecty find haease a couple you need it least a handful some have more, some have fewer you need, but having friends where the not deep bonuns of vulnerability, you just ive fun together totaly find adventure partners or activity partners totaly find. And i THK that whenot the problems we have in our country, if not the world, I don'tnow Butthur language i i don'y know, but English, but like want of the problems, IY think is language. So for example, if you have stage for liver cancer, or you have a mild melanoma, the problemis both of those things or cald cancer, but the your re clearly not the same thing. But we use the same wordight. I m good cancer, right? Exy, i's like your find. You knowht what a larry David say? It's the good cancer. And i thingk we do. I think we have very few taxonomies. We have very few words for friends. And so i ve started using best friend. Friend y alst'prem primer jet an. Even than best friend is somet times istle overuseedd. Somity sa hey, orn you friends wit them i go. I'm friendly with them. W somet sa orn you close with time? No. There an a quinn, or there ar workfriend. Ja, you know? And so i dock to started to use the language for my unclarity and for other people'clarity. Th not Everybody i know is my frien that I'm gonna like can have a infinite. I can have infinite. It take time. It take time. Investment is a real thing. This is a central part of happiness. I'joy long gemedy. I health by the way go back. That long jaity thing you're in th space and youno more the bnow su the like the longy fokes. Ja, and i find a lott of the avverion. Happy peopleyy thys musliman who obss wd long Jeery and the take all of the measurements, and the taken all theat adtaments and supplements and the doing all the exercises and the doing all the things and everything scheduald and highlighted. And i find them not very happy people. No find thatjoy where like w like may be wor out a little less. Don ty about if you mist the supplement and may be just hang with friends. I bit i i be in the dat will prove i out like we haaitear Beca the longevity obsessivey wor die. Ja, they will be happy and healthy and ol Ag, no the live long time and be crdu kno my friends. 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And that fact ultrism is a build in phena and that it activate the same neuraurol circuits as ha when ar cocane ou suer in ters of the nuclear thecobce and the pleasure and i wer rem meember this a sonns canno weire the save but i wannno is an haady and i was sleeping for house and night and i was working helping people all day girly eating anything proby the hydrated in a hodson. I fed like the sensive happiness enjoy like i never fed and it wasit we ree beut of a little this disastre w people wh lims amputated and dead people everywhere but something was happening in mewhere. I was an service of others. I was'thing you but myself and it serv of why do it? I do i m me i'am m happys when I'm serving other. Th is a book cald survival of the friendlast. That's good. And i makes it makes and argument that we ve complety Ms. To darwin that the ide of survival of the fitt, we have oise attrbuted to brut strength. So you can over power someone you more like to sur. 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Better had a live longer and bo you all los bo and y precious little. Y precious little on how to be a friend. And when you lookt all the challenges as we'seid in the world of depression and exxdy and all of the ally zpidemics that doctor and well entded. Folke, a talking about no one is talking about friendship as the andote. And i think that friendship is the ultimate bio hack. I think yove you can master friendship a lot of thes other things correct em cells. True it true people listening. I imag our thinking. O, this is great. I feel this. I know the sound point and i feel the disconnection. But i don'tw haw a make friends. I don't know howt is wher is start. I don't know howd I take the friends. I have a makeing better or find new friends. I don't know how a make friendship the medicine that i need to my life. So thing starting with common interests, sign up fir ceramics class and go b yourself. Or if you too ner to gob yourself, goith the friend B. Talk to the person your sitting next touse the great thing about doing a thingk with common interest. The icebreaker is really, really easy. You just have to say is is your first time here. If you done this before and it pretty much starts the compversation, you don't have a format deep, miniful relationship. Betut ab it. But i think starting to do hobby things. And i think having hobbieys. We've seen in thecline and hobbies, even you know. And doing hobbiey is with people. I. That's wh se club. Ja, that whise seid go ply chess, you know, in a park, you know, that's we that i think, yo, things like com accon and things like that are spectacular. Because when you findal group people, w w people lafe it your hobby and you finalup people w we w bit. But now we the norm here, it's incredible easy thee, friends. I ben to comout many maney times, and you know, it's Nerd Vana whad is com acco? You don knowher, com acco isy s. It s changed dover the years. But basically it's a comic book conventionig. That's the history. But I. But the is days comic books, ore only apartive it. It's also science fiction and hero movies, you know, Marvel stories and Star Wars, you know, Dnté and all of that. And it's all that nerdy, kind of pop cultury stuff, peopleble will dress up as there favorite cartoon character or Super Hero, or, you know, some obscur character and somet the m super creative som. And it's and you know, i some people there for the content of the convention, and some people there just the walk around and cutum and have fun. And what's so woderful aboutd is, it's in incredibly palate group of a people, so of you are in arate costum. We you se someone who is in a grte costum and you w'have a picture with them? W w they we picre with you everybo. They asks everyho, can have a picture with you, please, hey, may have a picre wit youe. And so there'a lot of interaction you can go dis i love your costuion and they will be friendly back. Th'not all lot a siniciism i met want my ex coeerienence there. I literally, when uterre that you look amazing, can evver picture with you. And yoe goes absolutelly we tok a picture together, couse just love to cutum. I don't remember how the conversation started, but we en thed a talking a little bit for just of few minutes. I don't know how we got to. It be trading phone numbers and then we U having a really great relationship. And the best part about that is, i still have the photograph not from my first date. I've the photograph from the moment we met wich does't happened in relations. Shit, you k don t say nice to meet you. Let'take a selfie just in caseight younow. But I have the throtograph of the time that the min we mat. And i think when you go a places wher people like the things you like it's gooding increase the odds and noty incre the ods. Yo, your find deep meaning for relationships. But it make it eas your to break the iye. Just get stard to get started. So what's you re go with your book? What'set of Aie your targeting? Now I'm somety who has ha very few long terminationships in my life. And the world criticiize me for that I'm sinen is un healthy, or i have been judge Th having commit me. Mevelation are friendships love relationships? You know, I've never be married. I don't have a tenhn your romantic in relationship, I haveven't had id and even sommmer the women ive ve dated the like. Wha's wrong with you? You meanher the was fore what's wng with you is what i here a loveht. And i have a friend who w is in a sec yeur relationship, an un healthy relationship for 16 years. She frey at mes that she shoitd of state in that relationship for one year, o. Y. And yet society looks at her as she Gott right? And i got it wrong, which just is twisted. And if you look at the quality of my friendships, like i have a lot of really, really good friends, and i am forfield in almost every aspect of my life, but just no necescessarly allom one person. And look, i like relationships, and i love beig an relationship, and i love being a partner to someonee. And you know, people, ih yo, wh ve venn you be marrit? I don'm like Isobe. Yo, Iven T met the th right person y tht' just stupid question, but i found comfort in recognizing that by fostering friendhip. I don't have to feel guilty or bad or explaind myself wh han had a manage, yo, atten your romantic relationship and frienhip out and frienhips Atlas and friendhips, or there to help you the relationships. And if you don't have good friendships, you'struggle in your relationships. You have to have somebody that ask get vice yo event to you can t oise god a one person i onant work. And so i think we don't give enough credit to friendship. We don't give enough credit to friendship. And we don't give credit to people who good of friendhip. We give credit to people stay in relationships. Even if those relationships orn a healthy I. I think we just need to real valueate. How are managing relationship in general in IR lives? I want be apart of the freiendship movement that that w the cha of are book around. Ha to ge health is friends theive. Exacty. Amen. Mark, i so appred you coming to get a physicians perspective, a specialy. The work that you do beca yo work so different than traditional medicine. Wor we treat illness. We youur re work is really about staing, healthing, living a healthy. And you never get ilt or your re body will know had a fixed itself. That friendchhip is a core part of staing health and helping the body fixed it self and prevent. It's self from getting il the biogy friendship and my friend. Thank you so much for conversation. If you enjoy th podcastd like to more, please subscribe wever you like to listen to podcasts. And if you like ev more optimism, checkt my Website simonssonic com for classes, videos and more until th take care yourself. Caraver, a of optimism is a production of the optimism company. It's produced and edit. I B Lindsy Garbinius, David Jo and Devin Johnson are execut producers ar henrate A. Conrad and Greg Ruders, Shn.

• Alexis Ohanian: Why I Left Reddit and Why Greed Can Inspire Good

  Veröffentlicht am: 12.11.2024

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  What you sed a so profundly, right. We have replace long term greed, wash short term greed, and we need to get back to long term greed because it's better. I'm. I love beig Tod. I'm right. So thank you. No, just we abut hold. If we just keep talking, ou find something wrong. OK. Alexis ohaian is atack investor, who's famous for a few reasons, most people. No him. Because he happens to be marrited the tennis icon, Serena Williams. But if you did't know, he's also the co founder of Reddit. Reason I like im Hover is because hes the kind of entrepreneur and investor that absolutely leads with his values. After launching Reddit with his college roomte and friend in 2005, he spend the next sech years helping it to become the nith most visited website in the world. But it was, after George Floyd wasit killed, that heat decided. Iy wasit time to resign from the board. And he did so in protest you requested the company, take more concrete steps to curb the hate on the platform and to a place him with a Black director, which they did since than aexis founded on organization, calld sie Huder sechs to investg ideas at there earliest stages. And he'also become a leading investor in and advocate for women's sports, climate change, startups, and paid family leave all the whild proving that investing with your values is a really good way to promote long term greed. This is a ab optimism. So i want start inst obscur direction. Good, i wonder star talking, but imposer syndrome? I know some about your early years that you are int b, you t reall engineer, you know, you studying it beu don't really go int I. I'm so curious as to your experience of impostor syndrome, but more important, not ho was it, but ho help okse terms her. 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You look the jobs is the worlduok thes musk you good list. And you see a lot of young people who ha tough situationse. Parent or not, you completdids there you got elrtu relationsipther you can actually look and one direction and sa OK wel maybe the path to outsize tek entrepreneurial success is having this kind of damage at young age th you fin away that hum amatures and you fin aay ad to intern great strength and it's wild. But like i, i don't, I've never talk to zk about this. I feyke ex also ha a pretty boringil. Don'iw thket a simple is like, hey, parents, if you want your kids, the be successul tax se you should, you know, be horroble to the don't to thatout i do think you can. I've see versions of this manifest, but buy and large broken is required. W toant to just ke building and doing and pushing more and never beiing satis I seet come from places of tremen stability bhay more places come from founders. 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It feiels like values comeond to the ambition to be the next unicorn that values comeond to puddingough lipstick on the pig to make your investors happy. So you can have a liquidity event and make evybody happyw, you know, and so, you know, people may have good values at home and they seme to leave the much home and they come to work. I'm sure everyone can ins say, oh, my god, my life change when I had my kid. And now my seven, you rod, teach me ks and the they come to work and say things to people like, yo, smarter, when you speak German beforeids THF. What is what ist about twistedouredd incer structures? And you see it more th most that values ar put second and the investors, by the way, are fine with it. The investors and not sang hey, whatever advce we give you, whatever pressure we put on you, he hey, make yoe you stand up to as in state true your values. Why is it that it's semes that moneys become morta important and values which feelss different from the way business us to run, you knowf, feu decades ag go and how we get values back. And how do you if a valueate the values of the people that your investing in? So i think part of wha is changed is the sticks have god a lot hire of how hi thekes Facebook? It was incansive that we could build businesses that could affect the world, right? That could affect elections that could affect guistig. We hoped may be som love. We cant build thing successful. But like nonotoe original creators in the first we of social media, i genu the leavve non was really could conceive of the role a place today. No one is ignorant to that today. Anyone building special the last couple years youno starting a new company int ta no and doubtss how big give in impact they can have. And the rest of us in society also much more cultityuware like technology is really go a create even more outsze returns. The next col deate all is commeversations onun ai kwee sh of themune system is a society has now been prime to realize like no, no, no, no, sin us. We have is first break throughs with like chat GPT. We shul be talking about this governments Shul be involved in the citizen. Shul be involved in this at the graving the most effective conversation arounded. But w dey having it, everyone is is white open. It least about the staks today and away that they wo no been before. And that's also because this technologys to so damn powerful. And y whent i comes the values look there is values. There is the values, you know, trading people with respect that w like to teachertable, th like to forom my that not too hard for me makeure i translate work, but and there's the more sattle ones which yo is like there sothers the company viise th we put on the wall. 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No, you don't have a toun. You're just really betding on the founder and herbilitd execcuute would in invest in thrnows. B there ply of examples, like Theronos, we see Fatis jus'so off the rails and and really ar you'breaking losws? I think there's the world of grey specialynown. This age of ai be cuuse. It such a big tech change where you'organyve founders continuing tooperate with this grey arey the your talking ouwages. I need to do right by my investors and I'm gonna try my best to do what'right for society. But i need to but is th part of the problem i need to win. What? What is that even mean? I need to win? It'notce wh is a beginning a middle and en, you know, and i don'tnow what the numbers are an tech i justno the broad American numbers which you know, there ar th million registed businesses in United States there have only been se hundert unrn ##ach do the numbers of tech businesmal and so it'can like I'goo be actor, I'm go be the next younow Ryan Reynolds, right? Like the oth so minuscule that to set out with that is a goal is unto it self Halarius justsqu go back to the questionize seid before like i have to win. Win what? Well, Okay, it's not a game with finishine in the general senseight in w they say iachy statementificial when you ha ai, th is like basicallyu truey oner level of replacing human work for somany things, somany cogins of capabilities. Th we can, it's this i Don tnow Valho like ammost mythological thing that fooks, you know the bey how close we are to it. OpenAI has the ro litt rating system. I think it onants we hit level five. Like world is change type thing andoday wuld say, OK, we need do in notches to beat ar competitotors in the US. We need the win, the beat China weed the win, the beat other you kw may nation states that may not have the same values as US China easy wann pick on? That's also working tor this and an noway it's got the sommers Manhattan project like characteristic tood, which puts it in, it's own litt the world whichuainf you say, hey, if wer ar in the 1009 hudert vierunden and we know theres a chance we can make this thing that a bring qu on cold world peace the atomic bam. It is so important that we win that we get there first iing thatut ju I can see the arguments for that meg really important and allmost spiony meanss neceses what a takes and i can see the arguments against i that so many thoughts this di so what i thk so interesting this to thoughts here one that's so interesting is the first time and a long time we have stumbled apon a technology as us sad at a time when the opportunity a be first as a nation not is, a company is truly at a level of it's existential and it's global power competition. I'it's the Soviets, it's the Germans and the allies racing to awards a nuclear baum. Becausever got there first would bele to influence the other. It s Sputnik versus the American space program. It's theis first theat about super power competition. And we have't Ben in a situation in the globe like this for decades where there is great power competition and there a technology that who ha? I gets theur first gets to dictate the way the worlds gonna work. And i don't think the rest of the American population fily appreciate. That's part of wha's happening here. And i don't think etather Republican, our democrats ore talking about it etather. This is the space race. This is the Manhattan project. Yo, you put it. This is about a nation that needs to achieve something before another nation doesn't. It's not about a company. And i can give you some lo we can talk wut the lower stakes version too. But i ##gineering historhaolu take tozic now and I planing no out is my maybe I'm not thinking it. But Olympia or her kids. One day i am be China. Gettqu som som cancel her. 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We is a nation will struggle to make ai anything other than a government or military asset. And people will fear those two letters, like they fear the word nuclear just because the times that were in if it wasith ze years ag go or 15 years ag go, where where ai shout up the debate might b very different, totaly agre. And i ironic that now, because of andt'tremen power needs reopening nuclear Inited States. Microsofte seen in the good news is the technology has gotten. I know everyone things, but ch the technology nuclear has goen better, safer, all los things. And i do think will see this render sond i coul user rebrand. Yo could user rebrand. But it is ironic that wer using nuclear power'com ba. I want good on the the other path sa had, ha two thughts aboutt when you talk about this race and the winning right, which is what is happened in tech that I don't thin as ever happen. Prior totach, there'is a dominant player in a space, right? Google is the dominan player in search. Opena is the domin playerle so far in AI. And it'only like for f companies that tech companies that basically control the world meta is the domina player in social and the race per habs this great irony, which is these companies at become as Sensbley Monopolis. Caref that wor? Amazon is the player in retail. It's very hard for anybody the compet against Amazon with your broks and mortor or online retail. It's just very hard for anybody to be some what closed player. Walmart giving att a good college try you knoth there probly the only one that can take on Amazon. And i think youre doing at den'job of it. But it semes like the race is to be the monopoly like which is were all racing in attack direction. 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Facebook metter bying gifhy wich platform of animif like it's the time to look at metter for th types of Amy. Trust practices was like at dede a go guys, like getting on the now forgify and it's so you have technology be keeps the steaks get high and higher, keeps improving faster and faster. And the you have institutions, i government that by design are slow and plating along. And the next fiver tunear we will CE a major collision because the technology will just keep out pacing and out stripping the institutionability to think thd and bytes nature government reacts youno something is a breakfirst bef they regular. Ja b andt what i waso think is so interesting, you know, that Google exempl ITd? No, that one that Google exemple Justmin me of Kodak. Kodek invented the digital camera in the SE de'and suppress the technology. So is not to cannaalize to your point film paper chemical until finally and ironically with there pattins that other digital companies like Fujian Canon starter to use i you know, codek made money of the patternstil. The patterns rin not and the nose digital companies put codec Austensibley ou a business and so it's ironic that you know, a Google technology woul. Maybe the thing that pu to th a business, but it's still or race to replaace the monopoly, right? Not co coexist withuse competition as Atam Smith defined, it was that if you have choices, we benefit is customers. But if you take away th choice, the temptation from monopolistic decision making, it's just too tempting. Ja, this is the power of competition and and i wantive us some hope because I do think values can long term with business outco and i can speak to a fairy specific examut usingrderversation. So seedd Communica Cultw health health businesse starter in when all the laws start changing sol, you could be doctor practiciing and one state and speak to via Tele Health like video chat, speak with the patient Sumarlon prescribeling an another state. News is a big shift. Now you could scale a real tell of business at the same time. Ed Med like viagernt sea were going generique and so now you go net a proliferation of much cheaper altern of brands and row is there first oners scen with feu others and very intenly build to business. Wh they sat? OK, we are go build integrity. And what we do, because we know this can be abused right, if you re persuwing profits oder Al cost, you could see amo all that sen not just the SEO bhautte evveroneing in the business down, just hit there a golf for the corter and push is much product is possible, even of sumone didn'is serray need it do really aggressive tactics to lock the minder subscriptions, puition, noications, allf. And they maded decision early on to buil thd in the culture and were it paid off was'just there cas the founund success cap growing, cap growing, cap growing. And there is a Moment in time i woant name the company, but somfke realize they starriting prescriptions for add medications and it was a no brainer for the business at ro to not get in the this ins spider the fact there a new entrance who are agressivey growing because they new. You know, this is a popular dre making this drug which is haved forming really accessible the people like if youur puttingice asde sees grey business model. But i din all with theice of row to real be pushing this pratic as aggressivey as this fo wor. And we in ne an bother expanding into it because there is too much of a downside risk and not surprisingly that company evently got call out by the FDA gang to lauger trouble. And as paid the price for I can tell. And as that wle thing unfded, whatd was so compelling from th wasit the CEO was. There is never momentitation. This was righting do because he w pling a long term greedy game, he the brand of row being at te health leader din't just mean making is much money is possible in aordtert making she the this was a bran that matter and was soming the customer trusted PA of the government respected, because it some point in the raply growing industries weather it's ai weathert's a tell health thes matter like you se government is reactive and somn point on fortuy. Somtting goes wrong and government step sin, OK? What he go on here? And they tald everyone and see what everyone s best standards and practice isr. And in that situation you want to be the gold standard? Because thean government goes and luok arounds. Oh, okay. Like your re thel room. You're the want to take this seriously, help us figuret what to make the standard because your re the WCE to doing it best. And and these is at the Arus, right? Think being high integrity, actually Alliance with being hike gred, be you have the long term best business outco be you sacrificy some short term business out for the long term intgraity and values, move and health. It's anvious, yo, touching on inside here that i really appciate wich. We look capitals, the way was pri oder of Miln Friedman, Jack Welch. And we look at capitalis and the wait is now wee short termm corly results shareholder supremacy, ar standard. And theve done great damage to the middle classve, done great damage to the nationve, great damage to economies. You kno i like to remined people that we ve had thre major stock market crashes. We ha the quatres we ha Black Monday, we had dot come and theat. We had TW in ate, right? The major stock marker cas prior to that, because of the the glass degalate that was put in after the great depression, which we disismanled in the achts in the name of propheit. We ha zero. We had zero. Zero major stock market crashs is between the great depression and glass deagle and the thmantg of it in the es. And since that we ve had the. And so this ide of short themism and short term greed and Goldman Sachs us to talk about this. Youna Goldman Sachs off on the poster child fird of evil business thse days. But even the old partners a Goldman Sachs, the us to talk about long term greed as we of there values. And i think this is right, which is we cant wave greed. It's a very humaninkt. It's wann the reasons communism fails Beca people greedy. But the idea of of saying look, we knoing a get with of greed because were people. But if we can commit to having long term greed, we will make better long term B decisions. We will take care of employees, will protect the environment we will be ethical because it's in our long term greedy interest. Yes, and i think, wuld you sed is so profundly, right? So simple and so profund. Which we have replace long term greed with short term greed. And we need to get back to long term greed because it's better. OK, i think, I hope there's a long term case for it. With things like climate, th care about my family foundation, all the money is going tors young people who are taking big swings to come back climate change. That's one are weu could say, OK, like it is clearly in humanity. Best interest. The makeure the planeted is not destrod by arwn action. But it is a really, really hard thining to get foke to value myself. Include all was right are short term decisions. That is the ultimate long term agreedy moveight. Let's make sure this planet thrives for a very, very, very long time. And that's probably the one. That's the most sword of ATDs withis. Because itu know how long isng like go. Let's go down th rabbitlh that long term greedy themess the stumble even amongks dos, ou? Believe it, right? And by the way, getting worse. Ja, it is. And i think wann the reasons is, is even with long term greedy, there arr metrics that help you measure that you run the right path. So the growth maybe slower, but a least at setting in the right direction. Right? And i thk that wher we confuse. Wha metric are be. That's all a metriid, which is it's amasurement of speed and distance. And you modulate for, so that you can stay in the gameight, like if you run long distance, you don't her go and runs fasts you can younice you can't run is fasts you can guuse you run att ajice you have emongulate. If it's a short race, you just run is fasts you can, and an race as over. But a long race you have a find a pace, so that you can insttay and the race. But the point is, you still moving for is, and you can still measure that PA and yo can see how td you feel and you modulate and IK. I think that that we the problems in climate is we don't have effective matrics that helps measure speed in distance. To know that word least on the right path. Se nod that if we continue in this path, we can seed that long term greedy will workout. What'scientist or iking as to do is just go on faith alone. And than every year they iy up planet's warmer, you know, natural disasters. A wor there is no weekly or cordly metric das. That's as we under right path fokes. Let's keep with this, or this is going a litt, a slow, i this going itlet fast or tht's modulate this. We don't have regular notions a progress. We just everything is y yo screud id up agn that's suck they here the carbon footprint of the average American. At least s of consciously. Doesn't thesn't feel that? What's the bad? Like, relative two intr nations or relative to? I'me even justly? I don't know. The ships that ar moving all the stuff we need to live our lives around the world, right? Like there are layers, i think for a lott afke to here like will wait. Like I'm do in my best you Tom, me the recycle, I do the recycling. 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And so i makes total sense to me when your re scoop and junk ou of the ocean and you see a thing field withat it you gonna and go process you like were re doing good because there a metric, and when people, yo say, you know, turn the tap off theisno. I don't know, sho doesn t feel. Take a short a shower. OK. This kno metric. And i think that's wannoter things that's missing from all of this. Just to go of a little tte an a scde, I get such joy. I think it'so halarious when people debit wather the viidity of climate change basedom wherat's caused by human beings, or it's just natural cycles of climate, which is like debing with. You have long cancer from smoking or genetics doises art really matter. Dois it really matter? You have long cancer, right? And even if it is just a normal cycle of climate, that's the equivalen of a medior hed hertg to worards the earth that is going to hit is and kille is all. And we can all assoom safey. That that was not made by us. It's just the cycle of big rocks in the universe. And one thm hetting ir way, would we intervenien and try and pushe id? Of course. Ou would weu say? No, no, no, leave it be. It's just the cycle. Of course, we witd interven absolute by minutes, yo know? And so, theis, i ide is that we wouln't intervien beokcause. That s a natural cycle, or the batining where comstrom or such a waste of time and energy'a. Good point. It's aoiint be boat sides. Boat sides will definly waste a lot of verr time. Trny convin the others side, ne wepen, somppen. It does matterwher comom I happening and it it's can a like god. There is some people who do don't really believe and god. But they prey just in case andkeke. OK? Maybe climate change as a hoke. B what? It's not may w do like somemer it just in case y, the marketing the why? If I will that hiay res with me that i don't understand whykes don't push more spcialy, more conserva fokes. I am m not let's say i don't love going out intern nature. I'm not out her like you want fun me hi can weeken youant like i did boy scout, Aido Tiger Thofe make a eagle i m quiitter b i love going camping and i love sping time in is parksing di did di meu apprciate with the natural beauty of the world? And this idea, the oise leave the camp groound better than your founded and was a simplele. And i just thoug damm like there is a minimum regles of who to blame or what's to blme. We have a planet that we a this point only have one for ArR species and We shul bet trying to do right byt and THKY. Now I think wee seeing the wonder of what technology can do, i think were approaching some big break throughe reted. B ai robotics is tide hand and hand that carbon secquestration, like actually trees or great wight a do it all natural god invented method of captung carbon. Have a man made versions of carbon sequestration in the actually getting mor more compelling, we have invesd in the few like air loop carbon, we wher I do think. And the exteneers We'gogan of find some phnoways actually get better using technology at healing this planet. And that's also the stuff. Th wehen you thinking about in enterprising person who wants this devote decades the there life to solving aroben spialy want is big ISS climate. I hope that is young people see the chance to build as a much more seductive calling THN TH standing corner in New York. Get me stop and sign there pa nature conservancy and just th be. This can not be the bes way on yourde. This make sense. Why say enscause yo talking about on entrepreneurials perspective? Vus a corpor perspective? Youno the corpor perspective is this is the way things ar done. This is the way things of o be done. This is the thing that has o existed. And this is a thing that organ a double downw with all the bureaucracy and complication the come withat. Because this is the thing that is familier, andonortable, and the'the entrepreneur that's sa as got it. You can keep doing that if you want, but i'm wn to be over here doing carbon sequestration with technology, and you know, maybe let's just let's doe what happens. I think mor entrepreneurial spirit. I agre with you. It is ironic. Consume many levels and your hundert % right. Like the politics, don't matter like we wanna protect nature because you know, you'an environmentalist in you care abut nature. Great. That's your motivation. You wanna protect nature, beokcause. Your are hunter. And you love being out on the woods, you know, on the we can with your mates. And i want protect the woods. You wanna protect nature, bookcause, your religious. And this is gods creation. And i want do wt I can protect Gods cre. Like the motivations are beyond politics, and for some reason in ou very American way managed to politici size them to the point, w werd deb baiting about something that is literally not political. Mothern nature gives no shits doesn't care ho you vote doesn't niw care. And she has a given I a cool blueprint and I'm toy. This stugf you spend a little time i been doing the foundation fellohip for the usars now and in the most inspiring part, it is so it's at the your olds apply. So this really is film mus liicalege Professor seing this pitches, this is the next generation sh'wit'possible. There'a young momman mady, who starte dis communic hod living carbon with are a literally breeding trees thing us a type of popur to be even more effective that secquestring carbon and growing even vater and m like when I think about how if i were twanzig again and i thinking about what's that next company start? I don'tno be social media compy rely. Thank you for no. There is. Is B. There is this generation now that just feel i it feiels within ou grass tay make a huge impact on that oerwise variant tract problem and we reach the point with a technology and wee reach the point with I think the youth of society the really modtivevid the entrepreurial ones wit. OK, weys me laske wha can I do atta skills and realy impact and'go littly planted on my farm her? And every time i take a strl by the I'm like hell. Yes, likere an amazing team of hawk people main not work. B thre'is is amazing team of harworking people that have organ vo deckets there alive to building trees. Thre do go do a even better job secquestring carbons. We comp plant th things everywhere. B thisco full circle to where we starte this conversation, which is neher you, nor zck all of theis big tech founders, non of them imagent in the wild is dreams that the thing that they did would have such and impact in the world. I think, wanna the challenges that young entrepreneurs have when there in the climate space is, they can see the impact they need to have. And i think it's overwheming and no think maybe to take that more there. I say it's not really realistic wit, it's still idealisstic be beyond what most people imagining. But maybe don't tr and boil the ocean. But TR make progress to awards boiling a peace of the oceanolu just Cleaneanu, the first robot that KW can automatically clean Th first wateray. You start by cleaning one room. I don't know this a climate pad, Simon? I don't know, i it meant's you know this is wer wen ive it i do want and oth Th when you were pudding that why talk togetherd di? You know it, with a heater like you probay give you times before som settingke w yo like youw you ha somet. So the answer is yes, i been giving the golden circle white talk for about thre years before sommerdy, tap me in the shoulder and sa yo, there is no, i was li he knows this thn is a heater, and it's so good. There's no ie was justlyge outer sub thegether the morro. Yea, no, i been giving the talk for three years. I had everybody I had hacr and people throug stones and me. I ben ast all the questions I work through the mor ready. And the challenge i had wasn't what i thoht about the talk. The challenge IED was my talk was o an our. 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• What can we learn from a rural school in Kenya? with principal Carol Moraa

  Veröffentlicht am: 05.11.2024

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  I know that some of the kids have cell phones. I know they have Instagram. Yeah, TikTok and all that. Yeah, and TikTok. You know, these are teenagers with access to twenty four hour wi fi. They are no different than our kids. And yet you say that they are just not addicted and. No, no, they are not. We have Wifi all over. But you will not find them on Internet all the time. You will actually find them in the gazebo seated. Telling a story you should walk around here during breaks. You'll find them seated around the compound. Just telling stories. And there's wifi. And they have their phones. But they are more engrossed in the stories that they tell. I love that. I went to kenya this year and had the opportunity to visit the Mara, the rural area of Kenya. The views are spectacular and the roads are unpaved. Kids running around, screaming and laughing, wanting you to throw candy from the car. And yes, people do actually live in mud huts. There is a lot of poverty. And in the middle of all of that is the Kisseruni Girls school and the legacy college of which Carol Mora runs. Both i had the opportunity to visit both the schools, and i was absolutely blown away. It turns out when people aren't forced to go to school, but they choose to go to school. They show up with a motivation like you've never seen before. This is a bit of optimism. Zweitausendein hi, Caro. Hey, Simon. It's such a treat to talk to you. So when I came to visit you, i was so inspired by your students, by your learners. And we have to tell everybody which is in your schools. The students aren't students, they're learners. And the teachers aren't teachers. They're education facilitators. Facilitators which i love just to start there. Why the change in Zweitausendein in language? What's wrong with teacher and student? Very good question to start with. So, we've worked in Kenya for over twenty five years with the communities. And primarily, we worked with the primary schools where they are, government schools. And then what we do is we build the schools and we provide school meals. And we train the teachers in the primary schools. When we go into a community, we are not experts. The community members are experts in their communities. Ÿousand they know their challenges. We don't, we don't go there. And we tell them we feel like you guys need clean water. We feel like you guys need a classroom. Nope, the community members know their challenges. And so when they approached us with this idea, we said, okay, Let's have a sit down. As we always do before we partner with any communities, they said, in our schools teachers are feared. You know, by that time we had corporal punishment. And so the word teacher was like a demigod. And they said, and we said together, we want a school where it's a community. We don't fear each other. We facilitate, we make easy. Facilitate comes from the Latin word facil meaning. Make easy. So we make easy the learning process. And in this school we are also learners. I am a learner as much as i am a teacher. I'm a learner. And so we are all in the learning process. We are always learning. That's one of our values. We are always learning. I came to visit your schools when i was in the Mara in Kenya. The schools that they had were basically mud huts, right? Yeah, and susceptible to the elements, dirty cramped, hot in the summer. And one of the first things you did is, you came in and you built proper walls, proper floors, proper roofs, bigger rooms, nicer desks. So the kids have a nice place to come to school. And it's amazing what a difference it makes. And i love that you showed us you left one of the old buildings there, just as a reminder of how things are better, especially for the young kids. I guess who don't even know what it's like to go to school in the old schoolhouse. So that's the primary school. And i came and visited your all girls high school. I've never met such smart driven girls. They get to set their own schedules, right? So the way it works is Zweitausendein. Because they have to help out at home. There's this subsistence farming. A lot of these kids come from, and so they help out during the harvest. And they help out at home. But then they leave to come to school for three months, right? Like a boarding school. Yes. And then they go back for how long? For three weeks to a month. So they go three weeks to a month. And then come back to school for three months. And then three weeks to a month. So they have this balance. And when they come to school, they set their own schedule, right? Yes. Yes. Now can you please tell us what that schedule is? Yes. So, as the founding principal, when we started the school, that was one of the things i was really looking forward to. I was looking forward to a school where the learners value the school and are proud of their school. This is our school. We set our school schedule. We decide on what we want. When you set up something, you own it and you're proud of it. Zweitausendein. And that was the thought behind that. And so for their schedule, when we had them sit down, they actually drafted a schedule. And we're like, oh my goodness, we want to wake up at three thirty am. We want to go to bed at eleven pm. And so we had to negotiate, we told them, yes, we know, education is all you have, because you want to be change makers in your communities. You want to give your best. You want to be the pride of your communities. But you need some sleep. So we negotiated. And they wake up at four thirty am. And they go to bed at ten PM. They wake up at four thirty am. Let's be clear here. They wake up at four thirty am to start school. They're supposed to wake up at four thirty. But by four, they'll always be up. So we always tell them, please go back to bed. You know, even in the evening at ten, they go to bed. And they have spotlights. And they still want to study. Because, you know, for them, this is all they have. They come from very humble backgrounds. And they want to change Ÿousand their families. They want to change the trajectory of their families. So this is all they have and they want to give their best. So we have to really just switch off the lights and tell them please sleep. What is it that makes these kids so much more motivated than your average western student? Is it that the western students have too much and they take it for granted? What is it about the culture of your school Ÿousand that these kids are so motivated. And they're not motivated for the first time. They're motivated for all four years of high school. What is your theory? It's an intrinsic motivation. That's the most important thing here. It's not extrinsic. We don't push that motivation in them. They are motivated from within when they come into school. You know, just a brief background. These are kids who most of them are first generations to go to school in their families. Their mamas in arranged marriages from fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years with twelve children. That's all they know. And they can see this suffering most of them. Their older siblings haven't even gone to school. And so they see their families and they want to lift their families out of poverty. And that is the word they use. I want to be the light of my family. You'll always hear that i want to be a role model in my community. I want to be this. And so it's an intrinsic motivation ÿousand that drives them. I want to be the light of my family. So these kids come to school with a real sense of purpose. And cause it's not just because they have to go to school. They are literally driven by a sense of purpose. And cause unlike a lot of students i think in the west. Yeah. I can share with you one story, please. Of one learner called Sharon. And you met Sharon. So a few years ago, there's a girl who walked into my office at around twelve thirty PM looking very tired and hungry. And of course I gave her food fast. And we sat down to talk. And then she told me, you know, Ms. I started my journey at five am. I am a sibling in my family. In the middle. My older siblings haven't gone to school. I sat for my grade eight exam and did, well, it's been two weeks since the grade nine reported. I haven't had a chance to go to school because my mom is not able to. She comes from a single parent family, zweitausendein. My mom is not able to my older siblings didn't get this chance. I want this chance. And she came in and she was two weeks late. The school was already full, because someone will get hundreds of applications and we can only take a few. And so we sat down and i told her, I'm sorry, but unfortunately, the school is full. And you could see she broke down and she got emotional. And she looked at me and she said i have to get an opportunity. Whatever you do, you have to give me a chance. And you know, it was lunchtime. And the girls were on the pavements going to the dining hall for lunch. And she pointed. She told me, you see these girls, you see how smart they are in their uniforms. That is what i want. I want to walk in these pavements. I want to be that smart. I want to change my family. I want to uplift my family out of poverty. And you have to give me this chance. And i said, oh girl, i love you. I love you. The resilience in her, you know. And i just had to stretch a little further and give her this opportunity. And you should have seen her eyes. When I told her that you're going to get this chance, she lit up and she said, I will not let you down. I want to assure you. I loved her confidence. And i told her your parent also has to come in because we need to get this commitment from your parents too. So the parent came in the next day and the next week now, which was the third week, because the other learners had reported. She came in and we gave her this brand new uniform and brand new shoes. And she was so excited. And in the course of four years at Kisaruni, Sharon was amazing. She excelled academically in drama and music festivals. She was the best actress in competitions. She excelled in games in grade eleven. She was the school president. And you could see that confidence in her and she did her grade twelve exam did very well and earned a spot at Legacy college. And she told me i want to be an entrepreneur when I'm home. My mom engages in small businesses and i always help her. And i want to uplift that business. I want us to do business and she joined Legacy College, the first class of business management and social entrepreneurship. She's graduating in a month. Last week she presented her business proposal in the lions den for a seed capital to start her own business. When they went for internship, the company that she went for internship in they actually told her you're amazing. And we want to keep you, can you study online and continue working with us? And she told them, no, I'm not done with my studies. I want to complete my studies. Then i can look into that. She tells me she wants to be an employer once she clears, once she becomes an Entrepreneur. So these are the kinds of learners that we have who deserve this opportunity. And this scholarship helps them to be able to not only change their lives, their families, but their communities. What's your journey? Where did you grow up? I grew up in the western part of Kenya. So Lake Victoria around Lake Victoria, i went to school in Mo University in Eldoret. Then immediately I graduated. I was very lucky, you know, i always say i cleared. I finished my final exam on Thursday. And i told my dad the next morning, when I came home, I said I'm going out to look for a job. And i had just done my last paper. I don't even have my degree already. And i went out. I went to international schools. It's very hard to get a job in the international schools. And so I went and i was interviewed. I told you're very lucky. There's actually an opportunity because I'm trained in English and literature facilitation. And i got that job immediately. And i was like, yes, thank God. So i got this job in this international school and it's in an urban area. You know, I'm in my early twenties very active and just having fun. And then after a few years, I see an advert in the newspaper. There's a school that's starting in the Mara. And it's looking for a principal. And i'm twenty something. And we are actually with my staff member. We are seated together in the library with other staff members. And i joke and I tell them guys I'm applying for this principal job. And they all laugh and they're like principals are in their forties and fifties. You're only in your twenties. You won't get it of course. And i said, watch me. And so i apply for this job. And i go for the interview in Nairobi. So there's a first interview. So they interview me and they Tell me this is just the first interview. The second interview is in the school in the Mara, where it's very dry. You are used to life in the urban centers. And the Mara for people is. It's the countryside. Yes, it's the rural area. It's the rural area of Kenya. Zweitausendein. So we have to interview you on the ground, to see if this is a place you can work in. And then we come for the second interview. And interestingly, the ladies, i was with all of them were head teachers. Except me, i'm the one who didn't have not even deputy head teacher. And then we come for this interview. And i'm like, Jesus Christ, this is the place. And it was so dry by that, because it hadn't trained. We only had one timber shop, a very tiny shop, you know. And then the school. So we are interviewed and i love nature. And so i see the hills and I'm like, whoo, i'm used to urban life. But this is a place i would really love because of the peaceful nature and the way it looks. And then once we're done with the interview, some girls walk in, some young girls. And we are told guys, these are some of the learners that are going to join your first class. And i get a chance to chat with them. These girls cannot look you in the eyes. These girls cannot construct like simple sentences, correctly like the tenses. And i said, i feel this is the place where my services are needed more compared to where i am. And i said, if I get this opportunity, I'll embrace it. And when i was called that i had gotten that opportunity, of course there were mixed reactions. I'm coming from this nice international school where I'm teaching diplomats kids, to this school where i feel i'm really going to create a difference in the lives of these young girls, who are going to get this golden opportunity, to get a full scholarship, to get an education. A young girl who would have been married off, a young girl who without this opportunity would be a fourth wife somewhere to an old man. I feel this is the place i need to be. And i resigned from my job. And i came here and Simon Ÿousand i've never looked back. I've been called for three job offers with almost triple the salaries in Nairobi and every other place in urban areas. But the fulfillment I get from working with these young people here, just giving this opportunity, we've had several over six hundred graduates right now from Kisaruni. We actually have the tenth graduation celebration this year. And the alumni are all out here in the communities. They've come back to their community. We have one of them who works with treasury, and she's the district auditor. She audits the district accounts. We have high school teachers. We have nurses at Baraka Hospital. And you know what, Simon? One thing that i love that they come back to their communities. I love that i love that they're able to come back and give back paid forward in their communities become role models. Ÿousand there's a school. When we started Kisaruni, we had only one girl graduating grade eight from that primary school. And service learning is a very important aspect of our learning at this school. And so every learner identifies a challenge in their community. And they go and help sort out that challenge. And so this girl, this one girl said the challenge in my community is girls get married at a very early age. Ÿousand so what i want is, i want to go and explain to these young girls and their mothers on the importance of educating a girl and the fathers too. But in a respectful way, you know, we respect our elders. So how do we do this? And she went on for service learning. And as we speak in the class of twenty, twenty two, we had more girls graduate from that school than the boys. So that is the power of these young girls going back to their communities and being role models. And the young girls say, i want to go to kisaruni. I want to be like so and so. So that's the fulfillment i get. I go to bed in the evening. And i'm just so grateful that i'm able to work with these amazing young people. I want to tell you an experience i had while i was there. And i want you to comment. I met people, i met the students, i met some of the facilitators, the teachers. I went into the community and we met one of them. We went. What was her name? Mama Jane. Mama Jane, yes, Mama Jane. Who was amazing this wonderful leader of a community who was lifting her community and helping them in a way that she was remarkable. And i got a sense that we in the west, we visit Africa. And zweitausendein, we feel sorry for these people who have less than us. And we look at ourselves how much we have and how much opportunity we have. And we feel bad, right? And there's something i recognized, which is, yes, they have a hard life. There's no question. They're a struggle. And mama Jane has a hard life. But she was happy and she smiled. And the kids who these are, they come from humble homes and they don't have a lot. And you see them playing with a stick and a tire. Yeah, and they're laughing the whole time. I read a study recently here in America. That children who have fewer toys have better imaginations. And so we in the west we think, oh, these poor children have no toys. And yet they're playing in their minds, they're playing in their imaginations and they're happy. And i started to get the sense that we're so addicted to wealth. We're so addicted to money in the west that we look at those without money. And we feel guilt. And we feel sorry for what they don't have. And it's like being a heroin addict. Looking at people and feeling sorry for them that they don't feel our high. But we're the ones who are dying of diabetes and cancer and heart disease. Nobody in your community is dying of heart disease. And there's lower cases of cancer. And yes, there's struggle. And yes, there's hardship. And yes, we want to help them. And as you said, they're lifting themselves, the motivated ones want to serve their communities and serve their families. Very true, Simon. Very true. We are very rich. We are very wealthy. The community members feel wealthy. Do you know why? Because they're happy. Because there's love ÿousand. There is community. There is interconnectedness. This sense of community, i was watching actually one of your conversations. And you said, we don't build trust by helping others. We don't build trust by offering our help. By offering our help, we trust by asking for it. Yeah, we build trust by asking for it. These community members, you know, and i was thinking about that. In the sense of these community members, there's a lot of trust. If one family member. If one family doesn't have dinner, for example, they'll just go to the next family. Or the family will just offer dinner to them. There's this feeling of wealthy. We don't have all those things, but we are happy. There's this love. There's this sense of community. When there's a challenge, we have the elders that we go to. You know, I've had the opportunity of visiting North America several times. And i know, when you want to have coffee with someone, you schedule it out maybe two to three weeks or a thirty min. Coffee session. For me, i just walk into a home. And we have tea and we chat and we laugh. So there is that sense of fulfillment. Because, yes, you don't have much, but you're happy. You have this community around you that you feel they got my back, so that sense of interconnectedness really makes us just feel like we have everything we need. What is it like in Nairobi? Is Nairobi more ÿousand disconnected, more lonely, more money obsessed? Nairobi? Yes, there is individualism and it's good. You're bringing this up because a colleague of mine and i were just talking about this last week. And we were analyzing the impact of sort of, like urban areas growing in the rural areas. What is the effect of this? How does this change, will this individualism be brought from the urban areas to these rural areas where we have this beautiful community? And yes, in Nairobi, it's there. But in the communities here, what i have seen for the fifteen years have been around. It's grown. This place has grown. From one shop to now, we have several shops. There's electricity. There wasn't electricity when I came here. But that sense of community is still there. Actually, the villagers have meetings every single week at eight am. And i was like, whoa, eight am. In the morning, the villagers meet in one person's family. Zweitausendein, they go there, they have tea, they talk about the challenges, They're facing as a community. How can they help each other? There's this child who has not gone to school. How can we support? So that sense of community is still there. And that gave me hope. That gave me hope. You've learned a tremendous amount for living in that community for fifteen years. So you are the perfect person to teach me. You're the perfect person to pass the lessons on that you yourself have learned from these magical human beings. Because your life is different. Now, having lived fifteen years in the Mara, what have you learned from them that has made your life better that you want everyone in the world to know? What i have learnt is the importance of cultural values instilling in them. When they are very young in these communities, they have a strong sense of cultural values. They have sense of responsibility being community, you know, courage, honesty, hard work. And this is instilled in the children from when they're young. The girls know, when I wake up, i have to clean the house, i have to go fetch water, i have to get fired. The boys know i have to take care of the cattle. And it's not forced, it's done out of love. And knowing that i have to do this for my family, they're happy doing it. And so when they come into school, building on cultural values is one of the pillars of our philosophy. Because we realized about brain drain where the kids go into school. And all they want is to go live in these towns. And everything because they feel, maybe that their backgrounds are not very good, a place to stay. But ask yourself, why is it that the learners who've graduated from our schools go back into their communities? It's because when they come into the legacy college, into Kisaroni, what we do is we build on these cultural values that they've come with from home. This responsibility, the sense of hard work. And then we have cultural fridays where the community members come in instill this in them. They have that pride of going back to their communities when they graduate. That's why they still want to go back, because this is instilled in them and it's not lost along the way. The challenge we have is, these values are lost along the way where we admire the western life. And we don't want to go back to our roots. So it's up to us and our schools to build on this. And i've seen universities have started having like, oh, cultural events, and, you know, talking about our cultures and going back to our roots. So that's a discussion that has started. And that's something we've been doing at our schools. And that has helped when you read the news or watch television or even the times you visited America. When you look at us, what makes you feel sad for us? What do you feel sorry for us? I love you guys. It's the individual, the individualistic lifestyle. Like it's. Yeah, it's like, I don't know you. I can't say hi to you. You live your life. I live my life. No, i love the sense of community. Where you know, I've got your back. You've got my back. I can just popping. And you know we are friends, like the sense of friendship. I think when you know you have someone whom you can count on and you can chat with forget about just family members. But someone, like a friend that you know, you can talk to, you really feel this sense of love, this sense of acceptance, this sense of community. So i feel we have that a lot. And i don't think you guys have it that much. I think you're right and you know it's. I have to say it's embarrassing that i have to write books about leadership, which are really about how to treat people. And then i meet Mama Jane and she's like the most gifted natural leader I've ever met. And not because she studied leadership for her. It's just common sense that of course I'm going to look after the people in my community. And of course, and it's worth telling her story a little bit, which is she set out to help the other mamas in the community. Understand the importance of having proper ventilation. So you're not inhaling the smoke from your cooking, the importance of having a toilet outside, the importance of cleaning up the trash on your property to prevent disease. And all of these things she helped the community understand these things and that she wanted to build her own house. I remember she was saying she walked for hours, four hours, something like that to go into town to sell her wares, to sell Ÿousand, whatever she had from her animals milk, i think it was. Yeah. And then she slowly built a bit of money. And then went back into town and found a builder and said, i want to build a house and gives him the money. He says this is not even this is enough to build a wall. And she says, so come and build a wall. Then and years later, years later, she finally has a house that she's so proud of and she kept the mud hut out in the garden so to remind her where she comes from. But the thing, one of the things that i found so remarkable about her is, she taught the other mamas how to save money and how to build their businesses so that they too can build houses. And the excitement she has that they are building bigger, nicer houses than hers. Yes, that there was no jealousy or competition, but rather unbelievable pride that the people that she helped were doing better than she did. Yes, that is the community we work with. You should see the ripple effect of that the mamas that we work with at the women empowerment center ÿousand, who have out of their savings built beautiful houses. And yes, a very important point. It's not jealousy, it's you're happy for your neighbor for doing. Well, how can we build each other? How can we help each other go up and not bring each other down? How can we support one another and lift each other? So that is the sense of community here. My ideal world would be that everyone who's listening to this comes ÿousand to kenya, comes to the Mara, visits your schools, sees and meets these kids volunteers, if they can, but just to learn and bring back some of the lessons back home. But obviously that's not going to happen. And so this is one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you. Which is i want us to learn the lessons of the Mara. I want us to learn the lessons from your learners and your facilitators and your Community. What is the first step you think we have to take? I understand that we need to build a sense of community and have people to watch our backs and be able to trust and walk to people and say but how does one start like, how do you teach the young people, the values of the community when they have nothing? Because i think you're right. I think when you say what are American values? I don't know that anybody could recite what American values are. And at least, if they did, they wouldn't be the same from household to household Ÿousand and we definitely don't instill them. In our students, we don't teach values, we don't teach national values at school. And i'm wondering, is that the solution that we have a long term plan where we start teaching national values to our young people that they learn these things. That's a very good question. And i remember, when i was in school, we were taught national values. Zweitausendeinundzwanzig, i remember that was one of the topics that we were taught. And yes, the young ones here are taught that. And i think it starts from the family level. So because, yes, you can teach these at the school, but what about at the family level? How is the family unit? It's easier for us because it's taught from the family and it's a community affair. Everybody knows you have to act this way. You know, at Kisaruni, we have the guidance and counseling room where we have peer to peer counseling. And so when Alana, for example, has a challenge, they talk to each other. So this is where we are supposed to start. If a child has a problem, the other one can help guide this child. So it starts from the family. So your students, if they have a problem, they go to each other. Before they come to a teacher, yes, they go to each other. They sit down in that room ÿousand they help each other. That's why we have very few discipline issues at the school, because the learners are each other's keepers. You know, when you come into grade nine, you're given a mentor in grade ten, who is like your mother. Then in grade eleven, now you've grown to a grandparent at grade twelve, you're a great grandparent. So we have these family units. And then we have family units with education facilitators in charge of each. And so when you go to your peer and you, it's maybe something that's beyond. Then you can welcome your family facilitator to come in. They celebrate birthdays in these families. When a person is bereaved, for example, we go as a school to this family and we consult the family, we work, you know, we help fetch water, we help cook. We are one family. And that is where it starts. It starts from home. Then when they get into school, that is built upon. What are the national values that you were taught at school? Well, i was in grade five or six. One is of course pride for your country. The other one was honesty responsibility, hard work, just, you know, these values, these values that the cultural values, I'm talking about they, are the ones we were taught. And that's why, even in school, we have responsibility for everything. The environment. We take care of the environment. We don't employ workers to do that for us. We would do that and would be proud of you've been assigned an area and you've cleaned it so well. And you feel this sense of pride. You know, it's not like you give someone a vacuum cleaner to clean their house and they are grumpy for us. It's a sense of pride when you do this. So how do we instill this sense of pride in your kids? For example, do, you know, one of the most fulfilling jobs in the West, one profession that is unbelievably very, very, very high fulfillment and happiness. [sos/eos], is construction because they build something, they see what they built with their own hands, contractors, and then they go on to the next project and they get to. And i, I had some work done. And i was talking to the contractor. And i told him this he goes. Yeah, i absolutely love my job. I get to work hard and see what i built. And then i go and get to do it again. Yes, and this idea of seeing, seeing, you know, working hard for something, and there's another report that i just read recently about children who have, who do chores, children who are raised with chores actually feel greater sense of fulfillment for their work later in life. And actually are much more sort of happier and more responsible. In general, the idea of doing hard work and seeing the fruits of your labor and not intellectual work, not solving a problem, not a math problem, zweitausendein, no, but physically cleaning up something and then looking and seeing what you've done, whether it's cleaning your room or cleaning the garden or whatever it is. Yeah, and this idea of contribution and work do you have social media. And i know that some of the kids have cell phones. I know, they have Instagram. Yeah, TikTok and all that. Yeah, and TikTok, you know, do you find that those things are hurting? Zweitausendein their sense of community are hurting their sense of camaraderie. Or are they much more in control of social media and the Internet and cell phones et cetera. Like are they addicted like our kids? No, no, they're not. In fact one of the debates, because they have debates every Wednesday debating sessions. One of it is always. How do you control yourself? You know, how do you manage social media? And that is an area that they keep talking about. Here at the college, it's compared to the high school. The high school students don't come with funds to school. But for the college learners, they have these funds. And i remember, there's a time we were conducting a survey to just see what is the addiction level? Are these kids so addicted to these cell phones? And we actually realized, no, because we have wifi all over. But you will not find them on Internet all the time. You'll actually find them in the gazebo seated, telling a story and you're like, wow, now that's beautiful. That's how we grew up. It's not like you have, you know, all those earphones, and you're just on your phone. And i was so proud of them for that, when we have a strong sense of community, and when we have strong friends, we're less susceptible to addiction. And what you're telling me is, these kids raised with a strong sense of community. Because these are teenagers. These are teenagers with access to TikTok and access to instagram. And they have access to twenty four hour Wi Fi. They are no different than our kids. And yet you say that they are just not addicted. They use these things and then they put them away. And they spend time with each other. And your schools are proof that a strong sense of community and strong relationships make us less susceptible to addiction. Very true. Very true. You should walk around here during breaks at lunch break at tea break. You'll find them seated around the compound just telling stories. And there's wifi and they have their phones. But they are more engrossed in the stories that they tell. I love that people. Don't believe me when i say that community is the thing and friends are the thing. And we all become less like people. Don't believe me. And people. But now, now i have your school as further data to prove. These are children. These are teenagers. Yeah, i love your school. I love what you're doing. It was an honor for me to come visit all the schools. I saw the primary school, I saw the girls high school, i saw the college. And i met the most motivated bunch of students I've ever met in my life. And smart man. Those girls are smart. And Simon, gratitude is a big part. Gratitude also plays a very big role. We are taught from when we are young to appreciate. Whatever we have appreciate. Just appreciate that. And i love that in your courses. We have a topic on Gratitude Ÿousand. That's very, very important. Gratitude makes you fulfilled. You may not be wealthy, but you're grateful. Every single day for this opportunity to go to school, you're grateful for this opportunity to have a meal on the table. So gratitude plays a big role, too. I think this is where abundance is hurting, right? Which is, when we have less, we are grateful for what we have. And when we have more, we take for granted everything we have. And because these kids know where they came from and they know what they have and they know what they have, is special. It makes me understand why they want to wake up at four thirty and go to bed at ten every day. Not to play video games, not to be on TikTok, but to study and do homework and be with each other. I understand it. As you said it's gratitude is a huge part of this. I'm tired of the west thinking they can teach Africa. I'm tired of hearing it. And i think it's about time. Africa taught the west. I think we can learn from each other. I learn more from visiting you for a few days than i have in a long long time I can tell you that we can learn from each other. I've learned a lot from the courses in your leadership curriculum. And you know, we've. I actually met, you know, something interesting is this maasai parents, the old man. There's actually the maasai is the biggest tribe in the Mara, right? One of the biggest tribes in the Mara, yeah. So we have maasai and Kipsigis, but maasai is the big, because we're in Naraq, which is the Maasai Maras or Maasai community. And so you find an old man, whose daughter graduated from our schools in twenty fourteen, the first class. He was actually here on tuesday. And he came and he was looking for me. And i said, yes, mze olalolaloso. And he was like, i just came to say, hi, how are you doing? You know, and it's not, he always comes. So these parents come in their daughters graduated over nine years ago, six years ago, when you have a parents meeting, they come and they say, we are family. We are still community. This is still our school. As much as my children are no longer here. We are still family. And so when he came, i shared with him the leadership curriculum, you know, on your courses. And we discussed. And then i asked him, how would you merge this with our leadership here? And he had great ideas. He talked to me about age sets, you know, when we have these different age sets, and how can they teach one another? We were looking at each topic. And then he was talking to me about appreciation and gratitude. And i said, yes, we have that one here also. And he was like, yes, i want us to come and talk to the learners here. I want us to teach them more on this. So we've actually had a very good connection with the community. I also met with Mama Jen, [sos/eos], and we were talking about your curriculum and how we can merge it with our locked curriculum. So i have Mama Jane, i have Ololoso, whom we are creating. I actually shared with you that curriculum that we've worked on. And they'll be coming in for sessions so. That's really beautiful. Yes. Oh, I'm so proud. Oh, i love that. Thanks so much for taking the time. I hope to come back and visit you and your learners again in the not too distant future. It's such a treat. And i learned so much from you. When I came to visit. I was so inspired. And you've left me inspired again. Thank you so much. Thank you, Simon. And looking forward to welcoming you, bring your friends along. Let's help each other. Let's support one, another. Yeah, we would love to give this opportunity to so many other learners to be able. We get hundreds of applications. So we'd love to just give this opportunity at the college to so many learners to support their families and uplift them out of poverty. Carol, thank you so much. Always a treat. Thank you. Simon. Thank you so much for welcoming me and giving me this opportunity to share about our culture. I love being here. I love working with these communities. And i can't wait to welcome you back. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Asante sana. Asante sana. Yes. If you enjoyed this podcast and would like to hear more, please subscribe wherever you like to listen to podcasts. 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